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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number

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182 for the 14th of April 2012 Richard

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Saunders with you once again on this

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week's show our reporter Iran sir give

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traveled down to a belaid where he met

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up with a good friend of the skeptics

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own doctor Paul Willis who is now the

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director of the Royal Institution of

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Australia known as our I oz Paul takes

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Iran on a tour of the institution

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historical science art works what more

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could you want join Paul and Iran for

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the tour at the top of the show after

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that we have a brief message from dr.

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Richard Wiseman about a new app he's

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helped develop called dream on yeah

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hopefully you can sort of influence your

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dreams sounds very interesting join the

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worldwide experiment details coming up

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and following that it's a fun little

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interlude we have a new song by Eddie

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Scott known as the skeptic in the room

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he's written a song all about power

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bands mighty mystic power bracelets

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that's called a fun song coming up in

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the middle of the show man to wrap up

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the show it's the return of the think

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tank join dr. Richie Maynard bastard

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sheep and myself for a couple of drinks

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as we chat about issues of the day

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including skeptic camp in Sydney and

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world homeopathy awareness week yes

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folks it's up to all of us to make the

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world aware of exactly what homeopathy

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a thing as homeopathy does it actually

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exists or is it just a process and at

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the end there is that there is no

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discernible product that's interesting I

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want you might think of that I'll think

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of that I'll have a big thing about RIT

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I'll run downstairs I'll have a big

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glass of homeopathic water

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that I figure out how to make

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homeopathic order well I'm doing that

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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seas around second so I'm here at the

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Royal Institution of Australia in

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Adelaide with its director very good

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friend of the skeptics MC of town

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Australia in 2010 dr. pol will is hypo

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welcome to Adelaide ok so I believe

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we're going to have a bit of a tour of

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further illustrated my pleasure and look

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this is the great place to start i call

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this the throbbing heart of the rirs

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what this is is a hundred and eighty

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seat auditorium it has a bar which is

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very important although one day is

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probably going to be my undoing and we

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have a stage what's most important about

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this auditoriums we've also got about

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three million dollars worth of

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audio-visual gear in here so we can

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the Internet anything that goes on here

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we're looking to do our iOS is of our

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engaging Australians with science how do

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get them thinking about science get them

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as a national organization with

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international outreach is part of it is

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that followed on from an episode of

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catalyst get that smirk off your face

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delightful but it was a panel discussion

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Australia or your iPad or your Android

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that we can reach anywhere in the

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country all people have got to have is a

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telephone and they cannot just follow

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the conversation they can join in they

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can send their questions in via Twitter

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and it all happens in real time so this

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is the future okay so shall we go for a

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bit of a walkabout I just started with a

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brief that the building that we're in

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of Australia needed a home and this

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completely redeveloped in our own image

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had a load of heritage lay what was on

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fantastic spaces and I'm looking forward

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to showing solemn let's go let's let's

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the bottom and this is the trading floor

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was the trading floor and this is now

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the office space for our iOS you can see

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that we did retain two of the original

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chalkboards from the last day of trading

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seven years share i recommend you get it

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this room including the fact that all

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it's and Julia's pleasure to be sitting

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working at my desk with that kind of

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heritage hanging around my neck but as

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this is the the office base here this is

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science media center and they specialize

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a Nobel Prize and Lawrence Bragg is

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science did they get the information by

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email yeah all came in in in in Morse

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code well obviously was was joking about

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that but but it actually makes the fact

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of x-rays makes it even more remarkable

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about the whole process of peer review

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papers are open word publish but they

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and to go through the full

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you process and then Bragg's copy had to

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make all of its way across the planet by

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steamships I would have taken at least a

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month to get here and yet within a year

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on the other side of the planet making

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x-ray tubes quite astonishing there's a

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turns little handle and that would flick

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the cigarette butt out into the street

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so that you didn't cloud up the inside

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of the building the most use that these

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illegal gambling going on in this

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building that if you saw the cops coming

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window you've got quite a good view of

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any incoming policeman you could put

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your betting slips in there give it a

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flick and there's no way they could say

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betting slips out on the footpath I have

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a dungeon as well we have all well

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dungeon right well these were actually

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exchange and we've broken them up into

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two areas now this is our science art

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gallery now so far as we know it's the

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only dedicated art science gallery in

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the best art installation at mayor may

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white and silver walls that's completely

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illuminated by UV light and yeah we both

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look a bit weird let's get out of let go

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so here ya for it it's sterilized or

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something so here is the the gallery

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proper and we found that you can get a

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lot of science across if you don't tell

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people it's science part of our mission

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is to engage the disengaged in an art

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space like this we get a lot of people

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coming in for the art and they go away

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with some understanding of the maths and

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science behind the exhibition so you

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know being able to engage people by

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using unusual and all the docs

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techniques that's where our future lies

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that's the sort of thing that we're

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getting up to hear this this was the the

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the main club room apparently they had

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three billiard tables in here when the

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stock exchange was up and running we use

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again for all sorts of purposes but

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principally we put on theatre here we

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put on plays in the adelaide fringe

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recently we had a play called CP ER now

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sepia was about three family growing up

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in whyalla in regional South Australia

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and through that their story we were

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able to explore the science things

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behind what's happening with the

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cuttlefish at wire what's happening with

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the the steel industry there is wise

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it's shutting down what's happening with

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the desal plant has proposed for it a

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lot of interesting in many ways

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confrontational scientific issues were

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able to be presented in a way that took

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the confrontation out of it and you were

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able to just explain the science and

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again people came for the play they

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wanted to see people performing and they

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managed to take on board a lot of

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science without actually having to work

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at it you know again it's engaging the

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disengages getting getting in

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for people who normally would not want

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to think about science but one of the

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stories I like about this room from the

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stock exchange days is I met up with a

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stockbroker who spent his whole working

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life in this building and he told me the

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story that there was one stock broker

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who made a fantastic living out of here

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so much so he barely left the building

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and he bought himself one of the rooms

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in a hotel across Granville Street which

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is 30 or 40 meters away so that it was

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easy for him to get to work and back

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when he retired he didn't know anything

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other than this building and so he would

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come into this room every day and drink

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a bottle of scotch and one evening he

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got to the front door and realized that

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he was too pissed to walk the 30 meters

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home so he phoned up some Johns

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Ambulance and said if I buy you an

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ambulance will you take me home for the

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rest of my life and put me to bed and

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apparently they said how old are you and

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how far do we have to drive you and they

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struck a bargain and for the next five

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or ten years every night at eleven

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o'clock and ambulance would turn up at

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the front door de parte can piss rossum

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across the roads i broker put into bed

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and do it all again the next day and

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that essentially is it that is our

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that's very good our glorious building

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if anyone is visiting Adelaide and you

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want to have a look we are open to the

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public ten o'clock to five o'clock

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monday to friday and if you log on to

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our website re oh ok you and you can

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keep tabs on our program so if you're in

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Adelaide there may well be something on

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here at night and come in join in the

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fun join us in the auditorium have a

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glass of wine and and experience our

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wonderful building and beyond the

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building they should probably also point

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out that you have activities that are

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around the country as well like free

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range signs for example is the Winx EDM

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aware every

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science across Victoria in regional

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Victoria last year we followed or

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actually we went ahead of the solar

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challenge from Darwin's Adelaide

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explaining to the public what these

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weird cars were and how they worked and

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why the challenge was going on so we

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have plans to go into New South Wales

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with live events essentially you know we

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are looking at how we can get out there

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and work with other groups that are

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already doing science communication at

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one level or another and work out how we

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can value add to that and take it to the

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next level very good thank you very much

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Paul my pleasure the mystery

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investigators show four high schools

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using science to investigate the strange

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and mysterious spoon bending fire

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walking a bit of nails water divining

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astrology false memories how do you use

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the scientific method to investigate and

387
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explain these strange and amazing claims

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the mystery investigators show is a fun

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interactive hour of science and magic if

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you're in the sydney area visit w WM

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astray investigators calm to find out

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more and for bookings the mystery

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investigators using science to

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hi I'm Richard Wiseman I'm the

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psychologist behind dream on the new

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mass participation experiment that aims

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to give you the perfect dream all you

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need to do is download the dream on

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iphone app before you go to bed press

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the start dreaming button next decide

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what time you want to wake up select an

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and then choose one of the soundscapes

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now plug in your iphone press Start and

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place it face down on the bed next to

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you throughout the night the app will

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monitor and log your movements and then

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about 20 minutes before you want to wake

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up it will go into dream mode it will

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wait until you're especially still which

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is an indication that you're dreaming

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and then gently play in your chosen

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soundscape now the theory is that sound

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what influence your subconscious and

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you'll incorporate it into your dream

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when you start to move around again the

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app will sound the alarm gently wake you

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up and prompt you to send in a brief

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report of your dream you can also post

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it on Twitter you can tag your friends

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if they appeared in your dream and send

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it on to facebook in a few months time

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we'll examine the data and see if it

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really is possible to create the perfect

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dream thanks for taking part and sweet

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people everywhere since the very dawn of

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time I'm trying to find the secret of

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successes

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the answer was so simple and sublime and

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but then we'll never understand

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centuries of knowledge on display

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in a TV in commercial kind of way

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just put on your mighty mystic power

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like skills increase

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this tiny molded beer glasses

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is imbued with all the magic of the east

436
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this magic band may cost lots of money

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so show your credit card uncle si si am

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ia mystic power bracelet there's no one

439
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now there are those who wonder in this

440
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magic really works Richard Saunders

441
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likes to say it's all a sham

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but they are just closed-minded all

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those condescending jerks who could

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argue with the tiny hologram some

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studies have been done to find out these

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fans impressed but clearly there is

447
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still more work to do

448
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so just put on your body mystic power

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bracelet

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you're balancing skills increase because

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it's tiny plastic feud with all the

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magic of the east this path man because

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despite my day mystic power bracelets is

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just put on your magic mystic power

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bracelets

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see your balance and athletic skills in

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Greece because this tiny molded bit of

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plastic is a mute all the magic of East

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is by a mighty mystic power faceless

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you know what said the tzivos I just

461
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save the sea bows what a bed was

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overpriced bits of plastic manufactured

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in Chinese factories for pennies and so

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the ridiculous prices to gullible people

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in the West to think their strength

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balance flexibility and overall

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well-being will be improved but who

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this is desiree host of Canadian radio

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show skeptically speaking for those of

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you that don't know Kenneth is quite

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similar to Australia people know as

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primarily for our weather in our beer

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and we have a queen just like you do

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same one as you do actually we also have

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mythical monsters and people who think

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they have psychic abilities and people

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who think that vaccinations are bad for

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you so keep listening to the skeptic

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zone and know that we're all in this

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together join us now for drinking

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skeptically in the think tank have

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lovely music here at the moment that is

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part after that it is very nice very

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mellow background music may not yeah I

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was enjoying right said fred earlier too

486
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i thought it was a little bit why today

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for a daydream i think that should be

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played as the national anthem i think

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you're right it's good to see you here

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in the think tank and bastard cheap ICP

491
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g'day everybody well it's been a long

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time since you've joined us good to see

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you along and studying her notes on her

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iPad and with a nice glass of wine in

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front of her it's dr. Rachel hello dr.

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18 hi Richard how are you I'm really

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well I'm particularly happy tonight with

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us we're back in the think tank but we

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must right at the top of the show a big

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thank you and a big shout out because

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when i was in Manchester for QED

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convention which was a fabulous time

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somebody rushed up to me

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shoved an envelope in my hand and rushed

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away well not quite the envelope says on

506
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it a round of drinks for the next think

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tank thanks for the show best wishes

508
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andy beal nodding him skeptics in the

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pub and thank you Andy he gave us enough

510
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money and in front of us all a drink so

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Andy and Nottingham skeptics cheers and

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y'all be getting lucky tonight because

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of you Andy thank you hmm and it's it's

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friday the 13th manor so maybe you'll be

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getting lucky with a vampire oh I would

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hope so too i mean i was born on the 13

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so i don't i'm not very scared of 13 now

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folks just before we get into the think

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tank of course right at this moment from

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the next few days at least we've got

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Maynard paraphernalia Maynard's package

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as i've called it it's up for bid why

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did you call it that because it's me not

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you look and thank everyone that's made

525
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a bid on it and thank you everyone

526
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:47,340
that's contributed to Tam I will be

527
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there and no one's taken up if you've

528
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got any questions you'd like me to ask

529
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anyone specifically drop in line through

530
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:54,990
my email email at my website or through

531
00:26:57,770 --> 00:26:56,610
the skeptic zone and I'll try and ask

532
00:26:59,419 --> 00:26:57,780
that question for you to the appropriate

533
00:27:01,790 --> 00:26:59,429
person I mean that's the least I can do

534
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:01,800
but in front of me now are a couple of

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the items that are up a bit at the

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moment we've got Maynard's classics 95

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to 2000 signed by your good self

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including such standout hits from such

539
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,350
long lasting groups as a louie vega who

540
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could forget member number five and and

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t-shirt with their cover of the hot

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chocolate song you sexy thing those

543
00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:21,510
memories can be yours folks on that

544
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:25,110
double CD set and also in that that

545
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:28,050
collection we have Maynard's dag quiz

546
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:29,610
book and here's an example of one of the

547
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:31,020
questions you can challenge people in

548
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:32,730
fact all are you ready for challenge CP

549
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:37,260
see what I can do okay oh there we go in

550
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:39,690
get smart where would you normally find

551
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,890
agent 13 agent 13 hiding inside the most

552
00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:45,600
inconspicuous of objects whether it's a

553
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:48,630
tree post box behind the wall and mirror

554
00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:50,970
great show great just an all-time

555
00:27:55,790 --> 00:27:53,660
classic of course now a cup of

556
00:27:58,100 --> 00:27:55,800
interesting items floating around the

557
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:58,110
old internets the old world of

558
00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:00,179
skepticism for the internets let me

559
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:03,630
quickly cover what was making news in

560
00:28:07,050 --> 00:28:05,170
the sort of the skeptical

561
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:07,060
look 3 thinkers critical thinking

562
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:09,880
atheist sort of community at the moment

563
00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:12,130
in Melbourne and we can't make it there

564
00:28:16,590 --> 00:28:14,140
is the big a theist convention so I hope

565
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:16,600
everybody's having a good time anyway

566
00:28:21,770 --> 00:28:18,670
Richard Dawkins was on a very popular

567
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:21,780
show here in Australia called Q & A and

568
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:24,100
it was just here it's usually lots of

569
00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:25,930
politicians and commentators all having

570
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,400
a chat man answering questions but it

571
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:29,200
was just him Richard Dawkins the

572
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:33,310
moderator and a Cardinal George Pell the

573
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,930
Catholic Cardinal here I think he's the

574
00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:36,880
highest bishop in Australia yeah he's

575
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:39,070
the highest ranking Catholic in

576
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:41,050
Australia and of course it was basically

577
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:42,910
his there a god or isn't there a god and

578
00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:46,090
what good as religion yada yada yada the

579
00:28:50,130 --> 00:28:47,950
whole thing was went for an hour it's on

580
00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:50,140
YouTube just Google or just go to

581
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:52,630
youtube and look for George Pell Q&A

582
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:54,280
Richard Dawkins you'll find it's all

583
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:56,290
there but it was notable for a couple of

584
00:29:01,230 --> 00:28:58,330
reasons one George Pell increasingly

585
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:01,240
stopped making sense through out the

586
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:03,700
whole show was kidding just strange what

587
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:05,860
he was saying and also I don't think

588
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:07,330
Richard Dawkins was firing on all

589
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:09,790
cylinders look to me I only saw the

590
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:11,350
second half of it because I really don't

591
00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:12,610
like to show cuz i can't stand less

592
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,740
stupid tweets a turf down the bottom um

593
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:16,450
I think I'm gonna actually get a

594
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:18,250
patented Manor bit of cardboard the

595
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,830
computer over the bottom third because

596
00:29:24,030 --> 00:29:22,480
because they just seem to put this Marty

597
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:24,040
bum tweets on there that I tend to put

598
00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:26,050
stuff that's like any of the advances in

599
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:28,600
any way but yeah mr. Dawkins he looked

600
00:29:34,110 --> 00:29:30,670
like he was over it he just looked like

601
00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:34,120
he's really over it lags and now you

602
00:29:37,170 --> 00:29:35,560
might say oh you know it's just a cop

603
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:37,180
out by Dawkins saying is jet like folks

604
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:39,370
jet lag jet lag really screws with your

605
00:29:43,380 --> 00:29:41,800
brain you can be out to lunch you can do

606
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:43,390
things not realize that you can't think

607
00:29:48,270 --> 00:29:45,970
of people's names be there does it make

608
00:29:50,780 --> 00:29:48,280
I'll just play a little clip now off the

609
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:50,790
show do you believe that homosexuality

610
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:53,350
since it's not a question of choice is

611
00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:56,590
part of God's natural order Oh creations

612
00:30:01,230 --> 00:29:59,290
messy that I think it's the oriental

613
00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:01,240
carpet makers always leave a little flaw

614
00:30:04,830 --> 00:30:02,950
in their carpet because only God's

615
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:04,840
perfect bit so I gave it you suggesting

616
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:06,670
that homosexuals of flawed human beings

617
00:30:15,780 --> 00:30:11,050
and not necessarily but what I am saying

618
00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:15,790
is I I don't think homosexual activity

619
00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:18,020
is simply

620
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:20,060
the result of genetic makeup because we

621
00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:23,480
are free we can control our instincts

622
00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:25,640
and like we're heredity and environment

623
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:29,660
a lot of this practice is is learn now

624
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:31,250
there you go now that's a pretty unusual

625
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,320
thing that's all isn't from a Catholic

626
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Archbishop to say about gay people look

627
00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:37,730
I thought sheep you had some comments

628
00:30:41,020 --> 00:30:39,380
assailant and that earlier I think we're

629
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:41,030
very pertinent to that situation you

630
00:30:45,730 --> 00:30:44,570
know yeah you can if make any comment at

631
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:45,740
all about other religious groups

632
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:47,960
everybody jumps on it all of a sudden

633
00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:50,150
you're extremely offensive stuff like

634
00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:52,340
that you say anything bad about gays or

635
00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:55,460
atheists and it's finds perfectly happy

636
00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:57,080
everybody lets you get away with it's

637
00:31:01,900 --> 00:30:59,960
not the same level of indignation were

638
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:01,910
might say yeah people like George Pell

639
00:31:08,170 --> 00:31:05,140
can be absolutely blatantly insulting

640
00:31:10,330 --> 00:31:08,180
cutting people down like no tomorrow but

641
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:10,340
if he's talking about gays are atheists

642
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:12,890
when he's doing it everybody turns a

643
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:15,170
blind eye nobody seems to care and

644
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:18,530
that's extremely offensive it is strange

645
00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:21,410
but again if listeners our interest it's

646
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:23,480
all on youtube it's all on youtube it's

647
00:31:29,050 --> 00:31:26,990
anyway it wasn't the finest outer outing

648
00:31:31,770 --> 00:31:29,060
usually they use that term by both these

649
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:31,780
men I mean obviously not although again

650
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:33,890
another interesting thing that George

651
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:36,110
pill was saying that he says oh of

652
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:39,170
course atheists go to heaven yeah but

653
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:41,690
what I'm a sexual what a part of carpets

654
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:45,170
I mean exactly it was it was confused

655
00:31:49,330 --> 00:31:47,330
messages all I might say confused

656
00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:49,340
messages and speaking of confused

657
00:31:56,020 --> 00:31:52,940
messages if this is a segue we its world

658
00:31:59,410 --> 00:31:56,030
homeopathy awareness week and yesterday

659
00:32:02,530 --> 00:31:59,420
was a grilled cheese sandwich day as

660
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:02,540
well I started I know that because

661
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:04,970
pee-wee Herman tweeted that so it has to

662
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:07,250
be true I didn't even get a grilled

663
00:32:10,270 --> 00:32:08,510
cheese sandwich I'm gonna have to make

664
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:10,280
up for it later okay oh yeah look you

665
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:11,240
know I think if they should be grilled

666
00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:13,250
cheese sandwich month so you know so

667
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:15,110
every day has a day and I think there's

668
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:17,540
a website where you go uh what's the day

669
00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:18,710
about or something like that have a lot

670
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:20,060
of back onto the top of grilled cheese

671
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:22,250
sandwiches this week happens every year

672
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:24,650
and about mid April and I think it is a

673
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:26,450
fantastic initiative i think all

674
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:28,790
skeptics should take it up and try to

675
00:32:31,470 --> 00:32:30,500
help out the homie pats with it and

676
00:32:34,740 --> 00:32:31,480
tribes are red

677
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:34,750
now what homeopathy actually is that's

678
00:32:38,430 --> 00:32:36,400
the most damaging thing we can do to

679
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:38,440
homeopaths tell people what it actually

680
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:40,150
eat well it's not a grilled cheese

681
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:42,460
sandwich that's crucial well in fact a

682
00:32:45,660 --> 00:32:44,170
lot of initiatives do they do do they go

683
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:45,670
on the media and talk about it do they

684
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,410
picture Big Ten some even have a chat

685
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:49,840
but strange you said should say that

686
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,250
because the number of years ago they did

687
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:52,960
actually pitch some tents down in

688
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:54,580
circular key in the little park there

689
00:32:59,040 --> 00:32:56,680
here in Sydney and we're promoting world

690
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,050
homie apart homeopathic Awareness Week

691
00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:00,880
and that's where I first tumbled them

692
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:03,310
when they were giving out leaflets

693
00:33:08,850 --> 00:33:04,870
saying we're going to be appearing at

694
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:08,860
the babies mothers and babies fair and i

695
00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:11,800
went to the mothers and babies there and

696
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,920
they told me to my face that they would

697
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:16,480
not recommend vaccinations and you

698
00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:19,600
shouldn't use homeopathy so yeah and did

699
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:21,640
you start arguing with them straightaway

700
00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:23,710
no no no no I just said oh that's very

701
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:26,140
good then we reported it and in the

702
00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:28,390
skeptic on the webpage and everything I

703
00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:29,800
think we even had a press release this

704
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:31,420
is going back a number of years ago as

705
00:33:36,050 --> 00:33:33,810
well I don't know what they do

706
00:33:40,170 --> 00:33:36,060
internationally apart from they try to

707
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:40,180
throttle twitter with the hashtag wh aw

708
00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:42,490
four well hung up the awareness week but

709
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:44,440
of course a hashtag is not reserved just

710
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:46,930
for proponents of homeopathy it as CP

711
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:50,560
says it can also be used by opponents so

712
00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:55,120
we tend to use that this week to tweet

713
00:33:59,070 --> 00:33:57,340
information that as CP says well

714
00:34:02,040 --> 00:33:59,080
enlighten people as to actually wat

715
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:02,050
homeopathy is and hashtag it with wh aw

716
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:06,100
and 10 23 and 23 yo now most people are

717
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:07,960
aware of what the 10 23 campaign is

718
00:34:12,060 --> 00:34:10,210
about but if you don't know it was set

719
00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:12,070
up by the Merseyside skeptics a couple

720
00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:15,940
of years ago and the relevance of 1023

721
00:34:20,430 --> 00:34:17,950
is that that's Avogadro's constant which

722
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:20,440
is the number beyond which if you dilute

723
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:22,690
something there's a very small

724
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:24,430
likelihood you'll have one original

725
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:27,580
molecule remaining and of course most

726
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:31,690
homeopathic therapies or remedies have

727
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:34,540
about 10 to the 30 dilution that's the

728
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:36,640
comment on and on and on well on and on

729
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:37,990
but the common one that you'll buy in

730
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:40,270
the chemist shop is about 10 to 5 30 so

731
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:43,210
you're deleting it deleting it you're

732
00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:44,409
diluting it should be

733
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:46,990
yeah you're diluting it to such a degree

734
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:49,510
that there's nothing left in it so I've

735
00:34:53,399 --> 00:34:51,849
already had a few arguments this week

736
00:34:55,940 --> 00:34:53,409
with a few homeopaths on twitter because

737
00:35:00,210 --> 00:34:55,950
they've picked me up through the wh aw

738
00:35:02,250 --> 00:35:00,220
hashtag so people tend to write blogs

739
00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:02,260
this week who are skeptics they tend to

740
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:05,079
use that hashtag and just get the

741
00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:07,210
information out that homeopathy there's

742
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:08,740
nothing in it which is the catchphrase

743
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:12,190
of 1023 and they've certainly fictive

744
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:14,339
quite a week to do this too because

745
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,510
today yesterday as i said was

746
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:17,920
international grilled cheese sandwich

747
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,089
day today is national peach cobbler day

748
00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,460
and of course Nick next week

749
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:25,420
international moment of life today is

750
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:27,849
celebrated on the 14th on the fifteenth

751
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:30,490
there's national blazedd ham day on the

752
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:34,450
16 16 on the 16th is national eggs

753
00:35:38,579 --> 00:35:36,010
benedict day and I got to say who

754
00:35:40,650 --> 00:35:38,589
doesn't enjoy that April seventeenth is

755
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:40,660
tax day and of course sir this will fit

756
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:42,280
in well what they're doing on the 18th

757
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:43,839
of April its national wear your pajamas

758
00:35:48,089 --> 00:35:46,180
to work day we're just giving back to

759
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:48,099
the homeopathy think it's interesting

760
00:35:52,980 --> 00:35:51,490
what you say Rachel you know beyond the

761
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:52,990
limit there's no molecule et cetera et

762
00:35:58,079 --> 00:35:55,980
cetera but I have the opinion that

763
00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:58,089
certainly the vast majority of stuff

764
00:36:01,380 --> 00:35:59,650
you'd buy in boots in the UK or the

765
00:36:03,809 --> 00:36:01,390
pharmacies hear the little pills have

766
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:03,819
never been within shouting distance of

767
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:05,529
any of the ingredients they just turned

768
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:07,420
out sugar pills isn't it there's no

769
00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:09,190
process they just turn them out and so

770
00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:10,990
on yeah well nobody knows that do they I

771
00:36:15,539 --> 00:36:12,700
mean we don't know that for sure but I

772
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:15,549
suspect you're right but our favorite

773
00:36:21,029 --> 00:36:18,130
homeopath in Australia France Sheffield

774
00:36:22,589 --> 00:36:21,039
who can't hurt me ft plus just recently

775
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:22,599
a Facebook page has been set up called

776
00:36:25,529 --> 00:36:24,010
stop homie up with your place and a

777
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:25,539
twitter account started up a couple of

778
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:28,740
days ago you stopped me over BP i think

779
00:36:36,690 --> 00:36:31,420
yes and on Facebook just search will

780
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:36,700
stop homeopathy plus yeah now I somebody

781
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:38,830
referred to this the other day because i

782
00:36:42,210 --> 00:36:40,990
retweeted something that i follow her me

783
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:42,220
off your + on twitter and i also

784
00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:44,380
subscribe to their newsletter future and

785
00:36:48,690 --> 00:36:46,600
somebody tweeted at me the other day why

786
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:48,700
are you trolling yourself like why do

787
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:50,380
you subscribe to this stuff you for

788
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:53,740
trying to troll yourself because you get

789
00:37:00,300 --> 00:36:58,690
the newsletter as well yes and the every

790
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,310
single one that comes seems to be

791
00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:02,560
crazier than the one before it's just

792
00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:04,600
mental isn't it it's worth getting them

793
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:06,220
it is worth getting just to see how

794
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:08,050
mental it is because you mentioned that

795
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:09,490
you don't think the pills have ever been

796
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:11,290
in contact with any of the actual

797
00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:13,930
ingredients I got it I don't give an

798
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:16,830
astronaut I think it was the last

799
00:37:23,460 --> 00:37:20,050
newsela that it was described how if you

800
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:23,470
buy that by homeopathy as a pill and you

801
00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:25,450
want to make it into a liquid there were

802
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:28,030
instructions as to how to do that so you

803
00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:30,520
dissolve the pill into a certain amount

804
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:33,550
of liquid but you had to cicuta in

805
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:35,560
between deletions and then you could

806
00:37:42,330 --> 00:37:37,810
make it into a liquid homeopathy memory

807
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,340
instead of a pill homeopathy remedy and

808
00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:44,460
there was do you remember the previous

809
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:47,020
newsletters don't come out about what we

810
00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:48,700
don't come out all the time and they

811
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:50,740
keep actually repeat themselves a lot to

812
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:52,420
you right there was a link today that i

813
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:55,060
noticed came from 2011 but there was one

814
00:37:59,880 --> 00:37:57,010
recently that showed a Circassian

815
00:38:01,560 --> 00:37:59,890
machine and it had a drawing and it

816
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,570
looked like a lithograph or an etching

817
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,280
it was this really old-fashioned drawing

818
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:05,640
and it looked like some kind of either

819
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:09,850
chastity device or a suppository device

820
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:12,250
it was really weird I nods nodding in

821
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:14,470
agreement you know I'm here going now

822
00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:17,230
now I do know people that claim that the

823
00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:19,030
rescue remedy now is that a homeopathic

824
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:20,140
remedy I know people who claim that

825
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:21,430
rescue remedy works for them when

826
00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:23,650
they're in a time of stress is there

827
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:25,300
been any experiment on this either way

828
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,430
it was just the alcohol so it makes it

829
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:30,180
does know it's a placebo placebo

830
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,190
mm-hmm okay I was just asking that's all

831
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:34,260
my secrets work when you're under

832
00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:36,180
stretch they can definitely because I

833
00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:37,740
thought perceive as many unuseful for

834
00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:41,070
pain ah know anything all sorts of

835
00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:42,990
things yes especially pain but I think

836
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:44,340
anything if you're feeling stressed take

837
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:45,930
this you'll feel better experience if

838
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,460
you're feeling carsick take this you'll

839
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:49,500
feel better not sleep take this the

840
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:51,360
feeling carsick drag a bit of rubber on

841
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:54,270
the behind the car remember that cuz I

842
00:38:57,590 --> 00:38:55,740
used to get carsick when I was it was

843
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:57,600
quite a small boy and that was one of

844
00:39:02,030 --> 00:39:00,300
the things my dad tried yeah all busy

845
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:02,040
that I know I thought it was just static

846
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:03,330
electricity so you don't get is that

847
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:05,850
from the car grounds of car that's in

848
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:08,520
miss it doesn't do anything III didn't

849
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:10,140
stop getting carsick on glows in my

850
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:12,380
teens I just had to grow out of it oh

851
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,830
yeah now as humorous as it is and can be

852
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:18,240
you know all this silliness about

853
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:20,010
homeopathy there is a bad site to it of

854
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,260
course a very bad very dark and bad side

855
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:25,680
as I said a few weeks back when I was a

856
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:28,710
special guest on the SGU skeptics guide

857
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:31,710
to the universe i said what people what

858
00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:33,510
we should do is be promoting homie off

859
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,430
with these dirty little secret which is

860
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:37,920
there is nothing in it right it's just

861
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:39,300
about to say one of the dark sides of

862
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:40,800
homeopathy has come to light just

863
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:43,350
recently here in Australia Dr Ng well

864
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:44,970
this is a continuing story about

865
00:39:48,290 --> 00:39:46,770
Penelope Dingle which has been covered

866
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:48,300
for a number of years now I think she

867
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:51,720
died in 2005 is that right 2004 yeah I'm

868
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,730
from colon cancer or complications from

869
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:55,920
college is particularly nasty it's just

870
00:39:59,060 --> 00:39:57,510
it wasn't treated for about two years

871
00:40:01,040 --> 00:39:59,070
because she was encouraged by a

872
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:01,050
homeopath by the name of Francine's

873
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:03,990
grain to just get homeopathic remedies

874
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:06,330
to avoid any other conventional medicine

875
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:08,490
and to not take conventional painkillers

876
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:11,210
etc now this has been covered on

877
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:14,070
extensively by an ABC documentary called

878
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:15,990
Australian story which you can still

879
00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:17,850
find online and I'm pretty sure it's not

880
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,270
geo blocked and in any case there's a

881
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:24,480
transcript online and one of the most

882
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:25,650
distressing things about that we've

883
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:27,980
discussed it on the zone before was

884
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:30,180
there was a coroner's investigation

885
00:40:35,950 --> 00:40:33,370
because the family of Penelope Dingle

886
00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:35,960
wanted to find out what the role of the

887
00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:38,180
homeopath was in the death of their

888
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:40,700
sister or their you know relative yeah

889
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:43,370
in addition to her husband Peter Dingle

890
00:40:47,710 --> 00:40:45,770
who used to be a lecturer and

891
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:47,720
environmental toxicology at the

892
00:40:55,660 --> 00:40:52,450
University of a university in wa yeah

893
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:55,670
whether it was curtain or anyway I don't

894
00:41:00,460 --> 00:40:58,000
want to say in case I'm wrong yeah

895
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:00,470
anyway he subsequently steps down from

896
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:03,380
the University or retired in inverted

897
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:07,250
commas allegedly he may have been asked

898
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:08,810
to leave but I don't know that for sure

899
00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:11,270
the reason I'm saying allegedly and I

900
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:13,660
don't know for sure is because recently

901
00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:16,460
the sister of Penelope Dingle has now

902
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:18,830
taken it to court to sue Francie and

903
00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:21,170
screen directly for her involvement in

904
00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:24,230
her sister's death now as a result of

905
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:26,180
that Fran turns gray and has placed a

906
00:41:35,770 --> 00:41:30,290
slap on a skeptical blogger who was

907
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:35,780
following this story now since its world

908
00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:38,030
homeopathy Awareness Week dan Buzzard is

909
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:41,000
his name on twitter he dug out the

910
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:42,920
letters that Penelope Dingle wrote to

911
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:45,590
Francine's crying when she was very ill

912
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:48,130
yeah really just before she passed away

913
00:41:56,050 --> 00:41:51,680
where she explains very clearly that she

914
00:41:57,820 --> 00:41:56,060
was misled by Francine that she was led

915
00:42:01,630 --> 00:41:57,830
to believe that homeopathy would cure

916
00:42:03,790 --> 00:42:01,640
her cancer and that she trusted the

917
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:03,800
homeopath implicitly and she's got to a

918
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:06,080
point where i mean the the upshot of

919
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:08,420
this was she ended up in hospital having

920
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:10,390
emergency surgery for a blocked bowel

921
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:13,670
where if she hadn't had surgery

922
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:15,610
immediately she would have ended up

923
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:18,560
vomiting feces and dying an incredible I

924
00:42:21,610 --> 00:42:19,670
mean we've discussed this with father

925
00:42:23,290 --> 00:42:21,620
guy it's just so horrible that said

926
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:23,300
before it was a horrible yeah I mean in

927
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:25,250
particular colon cancer if its quarterly

928
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:28,310
is very easily is curable do you know

929
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:31,550
about 90% anyway so dad's been covering

930
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:33,170
this and because the sisters now suing

931
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:35,270
Francine it's back in the news it's back

932
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:38,390
in being topical but I'm so Francine

933
00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:41,990
price to slap on him in fact friday was

934
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Good Friday Slurpees

935
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:45,370
strategic lawsuit against public

936
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,830
prosecution thank you she's she

937
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,990
basically means just to shut critics top

938
00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:52,240
so that people can't see if you change

939
00:42:57,150 --> 00:42:55,180
this we're going to see you yeah yeah so

940
00:43:00,440 --> 00:42:57,160
it's basically to shut up it's like it's

941
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:00,450
legal chill as Benny Goldacre calls it

942
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:03,370
so anyway the issue with this was that

943
00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:04,720
down got notification of this on

944
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:06,310
thursday at twelve o'clock and we had

945
00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:08,440
Easter so we had four days and he had

946
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:12,070
until tuesday at midday to respond to

947
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:14,500
this and in between that there were four

948
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:16,060
days of public holidays so he couldn't

949
00:43:21,450 --> 00:43:19,270
have got legal advice now I know that he

950
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:21,460
did get some advice but I'm not sure how

951
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:23,710
he's proceeded with this but the one of

952
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:24,820
the problems is that when you google

953
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:28,030
Francine's grin he comes up as hit

954
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:30,220
number two on Google in Australia and

955
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:32,170
google number one is the Australian

956
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:34,570
story transcript which neither of those

957
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,180
are in fact most of page one of Google

958
00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:39,520
don't put her in very good like now she

959
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:42,280
doesn't have her own website the only

960
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:43,810
link where you'll find her directly is

961
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:46,390
through natural therapy pages so you can

962
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:49,480
still find her and in fact I know a

963
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:52,390
journalist who wrote about her about 12

964
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:53,980
months ago and found her through google

965
00:43:59,160 --> 00:43:55,990
and called her up on the number on

966
00:44:00,600 --> 00:43:59,170
google in the natural therapies pages at

967
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:00,610
which point she bursts into tears and

968
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,950
hung up the phone and he said but you're

969
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:05,680
still on like you're listed under the

970
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:08,410
natural therapy pages but she doesn't

971
00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:10,180
have a website so anything that people

972
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:11,350
are going to say about her is going to

973
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,930
come up in google and so it appears to

974
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,040
me that she's trying to get rid of that

975
00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:17,440
stuff out of google but unfortunately

976
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:19,600
for her it's only going to get worse

977
00:44:23,730 --> 00:44:21,910
because now that she's being sued by the

978
00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:23,740
sister of Penelope Dingle is going to be

979
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:25,030
back in the news again there's going to

980
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:26,620
be more and more coverage and it's just

981
00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:28,630
going to look bad for Francine screen so

982
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:30,340
she can suck she can put flaps on

983
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:32,530
whoever she likes but once it gets back

984
00:44:36,540 --> 00:44:33,640
into the mainstream press which

985
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:36,550
inevitably it will it's going to be page

986
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:39,010
tens of Google's before you know there's

987
00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:40,330
nice stuff said about fourteen it's

988
00:44:45,740 --> 00:44:43,060
great it's being someone who's been

989
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:45,750
looking at this

990
00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:48,850
whole story whole saga of homeopathy for

991
00:44:53,310 --> 00:44:51,550
many years now it occurs to me year

992
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:53,320
after year after year it is getting

993
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,270
harder and harder and harder for the

994
00:44:58,860 --> 00:44:56,800
homeopath such as can only be a good

995
00:45:00,060 --> 00:44:58,870
thing what I mean by that it's year

996
00:45:02,970 --> 00:45:00,070
after year after year there are more

997
00:45:07,410 --> 00:45:02,980
people willing to speak up go to the

998
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:07,420
media blog Twitter criticize and an all

999
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,160
power to it I think that's the best

1000
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:10,960
thing that could happen and remind

1001
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:12,700
people once again that homeopathy is a

1002
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:14,530
complete and utter farce and channel

1003
00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:17,740
well we should also say that the NHMRC

1004
00:45:25,830 --> 00:45:21,100
which is our government I guess they're

1005
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:25,840
the advisory board to sort of our

1006
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:30,430
medical policies in Australia they have

1007
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:32,590
already written a draft statement saying

1008
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:34,390
that homeopathy is unethical and

1009
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:36,190
shouldn't be prescribed by doctors in

1010
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:37,990
Australia I mean they advise on all

1011
00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:39,910
sorts of things like obesity or diabetes

1012
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:42,910
or they say you know if you're treating

1013
00:45:45,870 --> 00:45:44,410
patients with cardiovascular disease

1014
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:45,880
here are the drugs that we think of the

1015
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:46,990
best because we've looked at all the

1016
00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:48,610
evidence and based on what we've seen

1017
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:51,460
this is what you should be doing they've

1018
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:53,110
done the same thing with homeopathy and

1019
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:54,610
based on the UK Science and Technology

1020
00:45:59,730 --> 00:45:57,280
Committee report from 2010 they wrote a

1021
00:46:01,590 --> 00:45:59,740
draft statement which they release late

1022
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:01,600
last year saying that that's probably

1023
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:02,830
what they're going to end up saying

1024
00:46:08,010 --> 00:46:04,570
officially as a government body in this

1025
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:08,020
country is homeopathy is bunk don't

1026
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,880
prescribe it and it's unethical to

1027
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:11,920
prescribe it for reasons like that I

1028
00:46:14,970 --> 00:46:13,300
mean we've talked about Gloria Sam's

1029
00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:14,980
before the nine month old toddler who

1030
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:17,380
died of septicaemia because of untreated

1031
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:20,020
eczema I mean these are isolated cases

1032
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:22,390
and yes people die from conventional

1033
00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:25,510
medicine too but that every size for the

1034
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:27,340
anecdotes that we need because anecdotes

1035
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:29,130
tend to work on the general public oh

1036
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:33,610
but of course the big thing is you don't

1037
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:36,490
die from homeopathy you die because it

1038
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:37,810
doesn't do anything and you're not

1039
00:46:40,770 --> 00:46:39,310
getting proper treatment but this is the

1040
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:40,780
thing because this is the argument I had

1041
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:42,790
with someone he's I think the hashtag

1042
00:46:47,790 --> 00:46:45,580
the handle is homeopathic all someone on

1043
00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:47,800
Twitter I mean if I think Dana was it no

1044
00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:50,140
no it's something I got homeopathic all

1045
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:52,819
not hope I think Dana yes yes

1046
00:46:58,940 --> 00:46:55,380
um he or she picked me up through the

1047
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,950
wire hashtag the other day and said yeah

1048
00:47:03,319 --> 00:47:00,780
but it wasn't homeopathy that killed

1049
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:03,329
that person it was the homeopath it's

1050
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:05,130
just an isolated instance of a bad

1051
00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:08,609
homeopath I said no it wasn't that so

1052
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:11,910
much it was that they were not that they

1053
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,500
were not told that homeopathy doesn't

1054
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:15,599
work yeah so I said are you saying to me

1055
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,390
they're homeopaths out there that will

1056
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:20,640
say to their clients this is placebo and

1057
00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:22,410
it doesn't work but have it anyway but

1058
00:47:26,059 --> 00:47:24,270
make sure you get conventional therapy

1059
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,069
that works if you could give me an

1060
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:28,680
example of that and I'm worried I mean

1061
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:30,119
surely they're in the minority that's

1062
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:31,770
actually one thing that surprises me the

1063
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:33,750
most about the open air will be Dingle

1064
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:37,619
case when Penelope Dingle died the

1065
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:40,410
coroner's inquest and what happened to

1066
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:43,829
Francine to mrs. grey an absolutely

1067
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:48,180
nothing I think homeopathic regulatory

1068
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:50,730
bodies they did nothing about it they

1069
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:53,339
didn't even speak out against up so

1070
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:54,930
she's basically got in the way it's a

1071
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:57,540
really good at agreements scot-free yeah

1072
00:48:00,440 --> 00:47:58,859
it's a really good point because I think

1073
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:00,450
I'd be noticed noticing on twitter

1074
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,290
lately it must be Twitter people saying

1075
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,720
come on are there any homeopaths out

1076
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:07,920
there who are willing to speak up

1077
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,920
against but they never charians I think

1078
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:12,480
it's bad homeopaths order no they never

1079
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:14,329
do and this is a thing in Australia and

1080
00:48:20,180 --> 00:48:17,730
we're moving now towards registering and

1081
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:20,190
regulating Chinese medicine

1082
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:21,960
practitioners and there's this whole

1083
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:24,359
argument in this country now about the

1084
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:26,099
regulation of alt med practitioners and

1085
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:27,450
there's one side of the argument that's

1086
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,819
saying oh but if you regulate them and

1087
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:31,319
if you train them in universities I'll

1088
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,710
be better off better oh yeah and to me

1089
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:37,200
that's like okay if you trip if you

1090
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:39,780
teach someone that water has a memory in

1091
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:42,089
a private college somewhere or in a

1092
00:48:46,339 --> 00:48:44,970
university it's still gibberish yes it

1093
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:46,349
doesn't matter where you teach it to

1094
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,089
them what are you going to teach them at

1095
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:49,680
a university that it's more expensive

1096
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:52,230
gibberish than it isn't I don't know in

1097
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:54,119
at a fits it doesn't matter it's

1098
00:48:58,339 --> 00:48:56,670
nonsense where were you teach it so this

1099
00:49:00,920 --> 00:48:58,349
whole idea that our people come out of

1100
00:49:02,420 --> 00:49:00,930
universities better alternative medicine

1101
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:02,430
practitioners well know if what you're

1102
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:03,750
teaching them is rubbish it's rubbish

1103
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,810
wherever you teach it to the

1104
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:06,400
yeah I always like to use the analogy

1105
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:08,530
when talking about these things of the

1106
00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:10,210
flying carpet for some reason I think it

1107
00:49:13,830 --> 00:49:11,620
works well because people that visualize

1108
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:13,840
it it's like saying if you learn how to

1109
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,610
make a flying carpet in your home well

1110
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:16,960
that's one thing but you learn how to

1111
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:19,350
make it new University it's better I see

1112
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:22,350
it's more better are more betterer yeah

1113
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:25,090
yes skeptic mcd's coming up on

1114
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:27,790
twenty-sixth of Maine it's just over a

1115
00:49:31,530 --> 00:49:29,830
month away so you've got to go there I

1116
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:31,540
look as I went along their last year I

1117
00:49:35,490 --> 00:49:33,310
had a fantastic time there's rubies

1118
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:35,500
really good atmosphere and that was just

1119
00:49:38,850 --> 00:49:36,910
a drinks afterwards apparently there

1120
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:38,860
were some talks that were useful as well

1121
00:49:42,420 --> 00:49:40,840
and i'll be there covering the whole

1122
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:42,430
thing cuz it's great now are you doing

1123
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,340
at all ah maybe I haven't really put

1124
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:46,960
much thought into it you turn out like

1125
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:49,750
on the daisy cat is it's not all these

1126
00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:51,670
big names talking it's not all these

1127
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:53,620
people who really experience it's just

1128
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:55,930
general people like you're me and it

1129
00:50:00,030 --> 00:49:57,490
really worked well so the audience

1130
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:00,040
everybody who comes to watch they can

1131
00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:01,510
all get up and give a talk if they want

1132
00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:03,340
it just can be five minutes can be 15

1133
00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:05,230
minutes and you don't know an topical

1134
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,720
you don't camp overnight yeah and one of

1135
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:09,760
the great great talks was the school got

1136
00:50:12,570 --> 00:50:11,260
up from Canberra and talk about why

1137
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:12,580
there aren't more women involved in

1138
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:14,260
skepticism and what some of the reasons

1139
00:50:17,070 --> 00:50:15,700
maybe it was just like a nice open

1140
00:50:18,450 --> 00:50:17,080
discussion and that was really good and

1141
00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:18,460
that was just as useful like you don't

1142
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,020
have talks in large groups like that I

1143
00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:22,240
hope you can give a talk man um I look I

1144
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,350
won't be giving a talk because will be

1145
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:24,880
no use to anyone what am I going to talk

1146
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:26,680
about really we'll figure something I

1147
00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:28,870
don't know if you want me not talk at

1148
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:31,180
skeptic camp sydney woman he'd give me a

1149
00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:32,200
topic look at the only thing i'm

1150
00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:33,640
probably qualified to talk about his

1151
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:35,860
Nazi UFOs because I'm very excited about

1152
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,650
the opening of iron sky oh yes oh I

1153
00:50:41,490 --> 00:50:39,760
think we might have to go along and do

1154
00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:41,500
that but I don't want to cut into a bit

1155
00:50:45,330 --> 00:50:43,180
of skip you can't time so tell people

1156
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:45,340
what the new e-book I've booked already

1157
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:46,720
but how can outlets in this book who are

1158
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:49,240
except all the details should be at www

1159
00:50:58,380 --> 00:50:51,970
get to campus trolley org and if you go

1160
00:51:00,000 --> 00:50:58,390
to our event price EV en CBR ite endure

1161
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:00,010
such force kept camp there you should be

1162
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:01,240
able to find where you can book tickets

1163
00:51:06,990 --> 00:51:04,450
a completely free it's a building to of

1164
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:07,000
UTS ridens center of Sydney just near

1165
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:08,830
central train station really easy to get

1166
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,450
too easy to get sooo are the earliest

1167
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:12,160
buildings in Sydney able to win an

1168
00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:13,630
architectural prize I'd like to point

1169
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:15,820
out exactly so you can't miss it goes

1170
00:51:19,230 --> 00:51:16,690
from about nine

1171
00:51:20,609 --> 00:51:19,240
in the morning tools 5-6 p.m. at night

1172
00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:20,619
and then this drinks afterwards

1173
00:51:26,730 --> 00:51:24,190
afterwards and cupcake competition last

1174
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:26,740
year there will be another cupcake

1175
00:51:32,099 --> 00:51:29,410
competition this year last year for that

1176
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:32,109
remember i hate slowly eric up kb in two

1177
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:33,970
days of being a vegan somebody paid me

1178
00:51:38,910 --> 00:51:37,150
to go so the other the other thing we

1179
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,920
should add is that the organizers are

1180
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:40,720
currently looking for sponsors for lunch

1181
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:42,730
and for drinks afterwards and possibly

1182
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:45,280
some prizes for the best talks so if

1183
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,530
anyone would like to get involved you'll

1184
00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:49,599
get your name up in lights and you get

1185
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:51,880
to be a part of the greater good and

1186
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,700
your stuff and feel warm and fuzzy and

1187
00:51:58,020 --> 00:51:56,079
so you can get in touch with the

1188
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:58,030
organizers through the address its shape

1189
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:00,359
is just and you can find those links at

1190
00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:04,050
wwc a petting zoo TV in the show notes

1191
00:52:08,579 --> 00:52:06,520
now gb you've got some information that

1192
00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:08,589
sort of hot off the press yes something

1193
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:09,849
has just come through to me about an

1194
00:52:16,349 --> 00:52:11,890
hour ago our best friend in the entire

1195
00:52:18,740 --> 00:52:16,359
world miss Merrill dory yay she is doing

1196
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:18,750
a seminar panruti door in queensland

1197
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:21,460
it's on the 18th of april with from

1198
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:25,089
about 630pm twenty dollars per person

1199
00:52:29,790 --> 00:52:27,849
unfortunately so if there's any skeptics

1200
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:29,800
up there who would like to go along see

1201
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:31,839
what kind of things she says see if

1202
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:33,930
she's in any way violating any of the

1203
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:36,780
rules and orders against her by anybody

1204
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:39,490
see if she's making any claim trying to

1205
00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:41,700
collect money for a organization etc

1206
00:52:46,859 --> 00:52:45,430
please do so and report back to us yeah

1207
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:46,869
i just i'm glad you brought that up she

1208
00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:49,030
because i'm a friend of mine asked me to

1209
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:52,540
mention these particularly because some

1210
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,890
people have written to the Maroochydore

1211
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:55,839
RSL which is where this is going to take

1212
00:53:02,970 --> 00:52:58,810
place and the RSL is have been involved

1213
00:53:06,569 --> 00:53:02,980
in polio campaigns where they've raised

1214
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:06,579
money for polio eradicated polio so it

1215
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:08,050
seems a little bit irresponsible on the

1216
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,849
behalf of an RSL to have someone like

1217
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:11,920
Meryl in there who's against vaccination

1218
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:14,170
including polio vaccination yeah and

1219
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:16,690
some people did write to the RSL and

1220
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,950
alert them to this and say you know

1221
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:19,839
seems a little bit wrong for you to do

1222
00:53:24,210 --> 00:53:23,170
this and it seems that apparently the

1223
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:24,220
aerosol has sent some of that

1224
00:53:27,940 --> 00:53:26,410
correspondence to Meryl and she's then

1225
00:53:30,940 --> 00:53:27,950
published that saying that

1226
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:30,950
she's with the RSL received abusive

1227
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:33,770
emails from skeptics now as far as I'm

1228
00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:36,170
aware that's not the case they did

1229
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:38,660
receive letters saying that they didn't

1230
00:53:42,460 --> 00:53:40,280
think it was a very good decision by the

1231
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:42,470
RSL but that's quite different to abuse

1232
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:46,130
yeah so it seems that apparently the RSL

1233
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:47,720
is aware of what Mara was going to talk

1234
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,130
about but they're still supporting this

1235
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:51,520
which seems a little bit odd odd

1236
00:53:56,410 --> 00:53:54,170
particularly since there are RSL's that

1237
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:56,420
you raise money for vaccination programs

1238
00:54:00,819 --> 00:53:58,970
i'm not particularly well informed about

1239
00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:00,829
what the merch to RSL specifically does

1240
00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:03,500
but it just doesn't seem right to me now

1241
00:54:07,180 --> 00:54:05,660
reach you something else I just didn't

1242
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,190
bring back some money for drinks from

1243
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:10,400
from a QED of course I brought you a CD

1244
00:54:16,569 --> 00:54:13,790
can you hear this it's a shiny shiny CD

1245
00:54:18,099 --> 00:54:16,579
just you can't hear it I can't play it

1246
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,109
because I don't have a CD player with me

1247
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:20,960
but we come at it it's Ned effort the

1248
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:23,210
album is called tree house and it was

1249
00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:25,609
given to you by the lovely medtech at

1250
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:28,760
medtech who did come to tam 2010 in

1251
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:31,250
Sydney and she's lovely and she gave it

1252
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:32,810
to you to bring all the way back from

1253
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:35,750
Manchester for me and I'm so grateful

1254
00:54:38,530 --> 00:54:37,160
thank you so much medtech i'll be

1255
00:54:41,170 --> 00:54:38,540
playing this tonight when i have a few

1256
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,180
drinks excellent good stuff yes i'm

1257
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:44,240
happy to do to be the the international

1258
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:45,770
postage service now speaking of

1259
00:54:50,050 --> 00:54:47,930
international postage may not but I took

1260
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,060
you I've been stamped more than once let

1261
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:52,880
me do it now I look now a lot of fluff

1262
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,770
going on with the movie Iron Sky that's

1263
00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:56,240
coming out which is actually a finish

1264
00:55:00,520 --> 00:54:58,910
Australian German co-production about

1265
00:55:01,690 --> 00:55:00,530
the Nazis they left at the end of the

1266
00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:01,700
circle more born they went to the dark

1267
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:03,380
side of the moon and they're back and

1268
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:05,210
basically that's the whole thing and we

1269
00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:06,290
were talking about this in dirty

1270
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:09,560
disbelievers episode 5 in January with

1271
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:11,510
Jim Ferguson who also had a great show

1272
00:55:14,829 --> 00:55:13,010
at the Melbourne Comedy Festival and his

1273
00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:14,839
cheering keep an eye out of Tim's not

1274
00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:17,420
see show winter that's right i believe

1275
00:55:23,170 --> 00:55:20,030
the the episode was called Nazi UFOs so

1276
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:23,180
hot right now yes was an amv episode and

1277
00:55:26,349 --> 00:55:25,310
look that's well worth it will also have

1278
00:55:28,839 --> 00:55:26,359
a look at look they've got the first

1279
00:55:31,809 --> 00:55:28,849
four minutes of the film up on YouTube

1280
00:55:33,490 --> 00:55:31,819
and in minute to there is a serious

1281
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:33,500
physics mistake which I can reveal to

1282
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:35,270
you now oh well mind you it's one that's

1283
00:55:38,570 --> 00:55:37,130
also shown by Star Wars so they haven't

1284
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:38,580
made the same since night

1285
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:41,490
yep the guy gets shot and you can hear

1286
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:43,410
the noise of the gun going off oh well

1287
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:44,940
which you know unless you're sharing the

1288
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:46,470
same space suit or yeah I think that

1289
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:47,760
would be difficult for that so that

1290
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:49,110
that's a bit of a bummer but so but

1291
00:55:54,110 --> 00:55:51,930
apart from that the film is 110 percent

1292
00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:54,120
accurate I just about to say you're

1293
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:55,620
worried about a noise and space and

1294
00:55:59,660 --> 00:55:57,770
they're supposed to be Nazis on the fuss

1295
00:56:02,180 --> 00:55:59,670
look you would I live in very different

1296
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:02,190
universe I know me know I believe you're

1297
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:03,810
going to see Titanic in 3d tomorrow

1298
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,670
aren't you because purely because you

1299
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:07,890
want to see the correct stars in the

1300
00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:10,890
segment where the boat sinks because all

1301
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:12,840
throughout the movie actually hold me

1302
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:14,490
throughout the entire movie Neil

1303
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:16,680
deGrasse Tyson yeah force them neil

1304
00:56:21,110 --> 00:56:18,990
degrasse tyson great James Cameron and

1305
00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:21,120
said you messed up see this is a way

1306
00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:23,430
that this can I should have been in 1914

1307
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,790
or whenever it was 93 1219 1,200 years

1308
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:29,280
ago yeah 1912 you messed it up is wrong

1309
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:31,170
it was a great film except for that and

1310
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:32,940
James Cameron is such a perfectionist he

1311
00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:34,710
went over it then and Yuri shot those

1312
00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:36,750
things so I know that's why you're going

1313
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:38,430
to see I'm just going to see you later

1314
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,520
Caprio drown again in fact I have never

1315
00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:46,440
seen a movie and it is too long for me

1316
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:49,080
and I know the boat sinks I'd rather see

1317
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:51,090
a good documentary items it sinks again

1318
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:53,190
it's something they get it right this

1319
00:56:58,310 --> 00:56:56,490
time also all camber alyssa's can get

1320
00:57:00,350 --> 00:56:58,320
their eye out for star wars burlesque if

1321
00:57:02,180 --> 00:57:00,360
you want to see bit of wookie action I

1322
00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:02,190
would check out that show up I've seen

1323
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:03,240
it and it's pretty everything if your

1324
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:06,420
star wars fan it's a lot of fun and also

1325
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:08,760
our making dr. Karl you know dr. Kalfas

1326
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:10,770
mosquito he's been answering a lot of

1327
00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,390
questions on twitter lately twittering

1328
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:14,520
likenesses suddenly he's um he started

1329
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,930
to answer I mean he's very busy out

1330
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:17,460
that's why I normally can't do it but if

1331
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,050
you send a question to dr. karl is a

1332
00:57:22,820 --> 00:57:20,640
good chance he might twit you a very

1333
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:22,830
intelligent and succinctly reply that's

1334
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:23,970
just a few things I've got to mention

1335
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and go dirty disbelievers may not what

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can I say you're just full of it

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information I mean look I'm full of

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information that will be useful and look

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and as we have brought you here on the

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show not only is it a homeopathy week it

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00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,720
is grilled cheese month folks what can I

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00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:42,720
say this is why we're getting Maynard to

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come with us to the amazing meeting in

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Las Vegas and if i look at maynards

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00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:50,970
thermometer we've got let me see five

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hundred and

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00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:54,369
fifty dollars to go and your whole

1348
00:57:59,940 --> 00:57:56,410
airfare is completely covered so folks

1349
00:58:01,890 --> 00:57:59,950
get into ebay or go to the skeptic zone

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00:58:03,809 --> 00:58:01,900
up TV and look for the link and bid on

1351
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:03,819
Maynard's package and don't forget if

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you've got a question you want me to ask

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00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:07,329
off someone specifically at tam i'll

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give it a go no promises but get it in

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00:58:13,319 --> 00:58:11,049
and i'll like the first first best

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00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:13,329
interests served all sorts of things for

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the first in them will have a Caesar

1358
00:58:21,620 --> 00:58:19,059
dressing pour on them near that'll do me

1359
00:58:24,059 --> 00:58:21,630
and those people who are attending Tam

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00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:24,069
please come up and find us will be

1361
00:58:27,809 --> 00:58:25,900
buzzing around probably around Brian

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00:58:30,029 --> 00:58:27,819
Dunning come up and say hello to dr.

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00:58:32,099 --> 00:58:30,039
Ricci myself Iran sigep copies any

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00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,109
behind Brian downing at all times might

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00:58:37,739 --> 00:58:34,720
be coming to she's like showing Ben amoo

1366
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:37,749
as you can do the bum talk but it was

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00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:40,089
gonna be told thank you that's good too

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00:58:43,499 --> 00:58:41,710
let's get this in the tub she might do

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00:58:45,269 --> 00:58:43,509
it for you may know yeah I'll heard

1370
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:45,279
about this skeptics thing that in the

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00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,329
tub that goes on that's a bit

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00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:48,400
frightening you just ask Mike just asked

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00:58:53,219 --> 00:58:51,460
Ryan Dunning oh well that's all coming

1374
00:58:55,049 --> 00:58:53,229
up in the future but as I look at the

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00:58:56,759 --> 00:58:55,059
recorder now I think the battery levels

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00:58:59,069 --> 00:58:56,769
on the last bar Maynard which means we

1377
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:59,079
should go to the bar and wrap up the

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think tank and i hope everyone at the

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atheists on over the weekend has a great

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time in melbourne have an ungodly time

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00:59:08,609 --> 00:59:06,880
an ungodly do they probably are well

1382
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thank you may not for making an

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00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:10,930
appearance that's okay in just drop us a

1384
00:59:16,769 --> 00:59:12,910
line may not come do you anytime people

1385
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:16,779
any heard it may not thank you a random

1386
00:59:24,269 --> 00:59:19,839
shadow that's right photos thank you

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00:59:28,289 --> 00:59:24,279
evil a chance monster thank you and that

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delightful because dr. Richie thank you

1389
00:59:32,219 --> 00:59:29,950
dr. Richie we look forward to a doctor

1390
00:59:34,739 --> 00:59:32,229
rachy report soon I hope I'm sorry being

1391
00:59:36,479 --> 00:59:34,749
very busy at work you have but the fans

1392
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:36,489
are clamoring for more dr. rachel is

1393
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:38,079
being grilled cheese month after all the

1394
00:59:42,839 --> 00:59:40,420
woman I do so much chuckling and within

1395
00:59:44,279 --> 00:59:42,849
one more shout out and thank you to Andy

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00:59:45,989 --> 00:59:44,289
Bell of Nottingham skeptics things

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01:00:01,890 --> 00:59:45,999
lovely drinks she is from

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this is brian dunning from sceptile calm

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skep tide is a short weekly podcast

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taking a critical look at the

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01:00:14,589 --> 01:00:12,260
pseudo-sciences that infect popular

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01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,599
culture whenever I'm not locked in the

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01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:17,359
recording studio I'm listening to the

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,170
zone and again thank you for those

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:37,020
people bidding and helping to get

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01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:40,290
Maynard to Tam Las Vegas so close we

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could almost taste it and tasting it is

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01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:44,100
exactly what we'll do when we're there

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01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:46,550
are restaurants all those Krabby legs

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01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:50,790
can't wait for Tam in Las Vegas coming

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01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:53,580
up on next week's show a very special

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:55,650
show indeed whether Iran sir give

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:00:59,130
interviews the founders of the the new

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01:01:04,340 --> 01:01:01,650
movement friends of science in medicine

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:04,350
that will be a bumper show that's

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01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:06,330
something to really look forward to all

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01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:08,430
the founders all together in the same

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01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:11,400
room with Iran so give friends of

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01:01:17,780 --> 01:01:14,460
science in medicine coming up next week

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:17,790
a show not to be missed but for me for

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01:01:21,740 --> 01:01:19,170
this week I'm off to have some more

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01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:21,750
homeopathic water this is Richard

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01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:23,910
Saunders signing off from Sydney

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01:01:34,700 --> 01:01:30,030
Australia you've been listening to the

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01:01:38,540 --> 01:01:34,710
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